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Wahroonga Farm
9th February 2010, 04:51 PM
OSM - Open Street Map

Note: Red text are active links.

The Open Street Map project, OSM (http://osm.org/), provides a source of free, worldwide, non-copywright, editable maps. It is well supported by a number of sites, offering map downloads in Garmin format.

Read more about OSM at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap) .

OSM maps can be viewed via osm.org ... or they can be downloaded as routable Garmin maps (similar to Garmin City Navigator); suitable for on street navigation with your Garmin handheld or turn by voice street navigation with your Garmin street navigation GPS.

OSM map quality and development is up to all of us. So if you can; please contribute, as every little bit helps.

These tutorials will hopefully guide you through several techniques for finding and loading these excellent maps to your computer and/or GPS.

A number of the procedures in this tutorial utilise Garmin's Mapsource. Similar techniques may work for Apple owners with Garmin's free Roadtrip and Basecamp software.

Read here (http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2800) for further information on Mapsource. Mapsource provides an easy method to load a number of different Garmin maps to your GPS e.g. a road map plus a transparent contour map, creates a true topographical map.

The Easy Peasy OSM - Mapsource/ Roadtrip installation

OSM World Routable (http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/) is an easy solution to install OSM maps in Mapsource. It provides a number of OSM map files, including 'installers' for Mapsource (Windows) and Roadtrip (Mac) options for straightforward loading.

After selecting the region/country or individual tiles for download, an email will arrive advising you of the download location for your maps.

Note 1: The map tile selection is not optimum for Australia.

Note 2: This service generates four different configurations of your personal map:


Installer for Garmin MapSource (Windows)
Installer for Garmin RoadTrip (Mac OSX)
A combined image for direct manual placement on the GPS device (gmapsupp.img)
A zip file just containing all the Garmin map tiles as selected on this website. This is useful for Linux users (e.g. Qlandkarte)

A page like something like this will appear.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9369/worldroutable.jpg

Another 'ready to install' OSM site is OpenMTBmap (http://openmtbmap.org/). This site emphasises various map attributes to make bike and foot navigation easier. The routing choice is modified to utilise bike and walking paths, so beware if you use this version in a Nuvi. Some forum info here (http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14546) .

Don't wish to use Mapsource?

All of the OSM map download sites provide a Garmin GPS .img file as a minimum map.

Have a look here (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Download) for a long list of download sites from the OSM wiki. There may be one that suits you.

An Oregon, Colorado or Dakota (with the latest software installed), supports multiple 'xyz.img' files (e.g. OSMNSW.img or 123456.img) in the Garmin folder. File these .img's in the 'Garmin' folder on your SD card, or (if there is sufficient space) in the 'Garmin' folder on your GPS. With different map .img names, you can install many maps for selection via the GPS 'map selection' screen.

Older handhelds such as the 60/76 series, Legend/Vista and the street nav Nuvi series will only accept a file named 'gmapsupp.img'. Store this in the Garmin folder in the GPS or on the (micro)SD card. Using the GPS/SD card technique, two different 'user installed' .img maps can be used.

Warning:

The GPS may not warn you that you are overwriting the same map file name, so be careful. You cannot and must not install maps to a genuine Garmin pre-installed map datacard; otherwise you will lose everything permanently and Garmin map not accept warranty return.

Installing OSM Australia maps in Mapsource

OSM Australia (http://www.osmaustralia.org/index.php) is an excellent site with a myriad of OSM map choices. It is updated DAILY! However it only provides 'GPS style' .img downloads.

Many thanks to Firefly2650 who identified this neat solution (http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showpost.php?p=56920&postcount=14) to install these maps to Mapsource. I have expanded the procedure below.

1. Download your selection of maps from OSM Australia (http://www.osmaustralia.org/downloads.php). There are many versions to chose from. The routable (http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php) OSM maps work pretty well.

You'll need the .IMG files (select the state of interest or download them all), plus the 'Overview & TDB' files for that map group.

The downloads are compressed in zip format. Unzip each download (free '7-Zip' is fine) into a new folder called 'OSM Australia'. Delete the downloaded zips files once you have extracted the ++++++++.img files. Move this folder to C:\Garmin.

It may look something like this.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2199/filefolder.jpg

2. Download MapSourceToolkit from http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/

Download MapsetToolkit only. MapsetToolkit will display a complete list of maps installed in Mapsource in the 'Mapset Installed' window.

Click the "Install" button and you will get a screen that allows you to select the directory where you have filed the OSM files.

Fill in the details and click "Install". The program simply writes the details into the Windows Registry. Once that is done, the OSM files will appear in Mapsource. You can use Mapsource view and also to load the maps to your GPS.

The advantage of using Mapsource, is that you can send OSM routable street maps with contours to your GPS using the Mapsource tile select feature for a topo style map. Here (http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3868) is a tutorial on how to send multiple maps to your GPS.

This is a nice and easy .img installation solution to create the Mapsource registry entries, and of course maintain the routable properties of the mapset.

Here are a couple of screen shots of the procedure for a single tile. Give it a useful registry name.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7822/mapsettoolkit.jpg

You may wish to edit the map name after successful registration.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2203/editscreen.jpg

3. The OSM Australia 'overview' and 'tdb' are common for multiple maps in a single OSM Australia map format; so you may install QLD and NSW .img's etc in the same folder. e.g an 'all Australia' routable map.

See below for the 'OSM Australia' tile layout viewed in Mapsource, should you wish to download a single state or perhaps a selection of states.

Note: NSW is not optimum, you'll need QLD to get the 'top bit' and VIC for the bottom bit. :)

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7376/mapsourceview.jpg

R_G_B
11th February 2010, 05:09 PM
Thanks John, very useful.

Open Source keeps getting better as more people contribute (and usually a few coordinate).

Anyone planning to visit NZ, or just interested to see how good open-source maps can be (through the effort of an active OSM community albeit in a land area slightly smaller than Oz) should take a look at the Kiwi sites for autorouting road maps:
http://gwprojects.org/forum/index.php

Homepage for NZ Open GPS Project here

http://www.nzopengps.org/

and for road plus hiking (tramping in NZ) biking and increasing topographic detail:
http://rcmaps.googlepages.com/nzogps%26doc%26srtmtopo10mmaps

I used the road version last year on a 60Cx and nRoute for about 3000km over 3 wks, and it is 'better than professional'

Wahroonga Farm
18th February 2010, 03:28 PM
The OSM Australia maps are all created with the same FID and Map Code.

The technique above does not provide for the loading of different OSM Australia mapsets e.g routing and non-routing concurrently.

Use different folders and simply uninstall one mapset, before installing the next.

There may be a better solution, but this provides a simple work-around.

Edit - 3 May 2010:

The issue with the same Map ID for 'OSM Australia' Map downloads has been fixed by Matt.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showpost.php?p=61846&postcount=4

Minaska
20th February 2010, 08:44 AM
Thanks to Wahroonga Farm for the instructions on using MapsetTools to install OSM Australia maps. This worked well after I got around a problem with a couple of corrupted download files and understanding how installations for maps for more than 1 state worked.

I downloaded the OSM Australia zipped "Overview" file and the zipped img files for several states and installed the fairly small "Australia" img file (30810100.img) as instructed. I then tried installing the maps for individual states and failed (repeatedly). However, on opening Mapsource I realised that installing by the Australian "map family" as per the instructions the maps for individual states (that were in the same folder as the Australia *.img file) were also installed.

Now I have one simple (?) query. When I download updates for the individual Australian states can I merely overwrite the corresponding 3081010x.img (where x is 1-7, depending on the state) the installed folder for Mapsource OR do I need to go the full ininstall - reinstall with Mapset tools ervery time I want to update these maps.

On another issue I have had a couple of minor problems with OSM maps. Firstly, for the Queensland maps (7Feb10 update) the sea areas around Bribie Island are not the usual blue on my Garmin GPSMap76csx. I think this issue has been reported before and is due to the need to have "closed polgons" to define all water areas and this is missed at times for coastal areas. The second item is possibly more serious: with Qld and NT OSM maps installed (7Feb10 updates) in Mapsource I get a Mapsource crash whenever I try to zoom in below 1km AND the screen area includes the NT OSM area. The error message refers to the NT OSM installed map number with error type 1.
Has anyone else encounted this error?

Regards,
Minaska



blue.Secondly, Ii need to maps for se

Wahroonga Farm
20th February 2010, 10:49 AM
...Now I have one simple (?) query.

When I download updates for the individual Australian states can I merely overwrite the corresponding 3081010x.img (where x is 1-7, depending on the state) the installed folder for Mapsource OR do I need to go the full ininstall - reinstall with Mapset tools ervery time I want to update these maps.Yes.

That simple procedure of overwriting the map with the latest (same name) appears to work fine.

I'm not sure of the practical limitations to doing this ie will some future map change stuff it up?

Anyone with a better understanding?


On another issue I have had a couple of minor problems with OSM maps.

1. Firstly, for the Queensland maps (7 Feb10 update) the sea areas around Bribie Island are not the usual blue on my Garmin GPSMap76csx. I think this issue has been reported before and is due to the need to have "closed polgons" to define all water areas and this is missed at times for coastal areas.

2. The second item is possibly more serious: with Qld and NT OSM maps installed (7 Feb10 updates) in Mapsource I get a Mapsource crash whenever I try to zoom in below 1km AND the screen area includes the NT OSM area.

The error message refers to the NT OSM installed map number with error type 1.

Has anyone else encountered this error?

Regards,
Minaska1. Yes there is a thread on 'blue (http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14494&highlight=blue) '. :)

I suspect as the map rendering tools improve this will resolve itself.

2. OK 4 me. There is a small map overlap the dark pink. See screen capture.

Note: Zip is the gpx waypoint 001, (S17 43.171 E141 01.209), near Normanton.

Detectist
20th February 2010, 01:00 PM
Hi guys - may not be related but may be too ...
Minaska - are you running Windows 7? WF are you?
I've had a few problems (increasingly worse it appears to me but maybe I'm sensitive) with Mapsource but it may be actually a Windows 7 issue.
I've had difficulties with Mapsource crashing and I have 6.15.7 not the latest versions. Brian of OzTopo fame suggests that Windows 7 could be the issue and that Garmin is aware of it.
Detectist

Wahroonga Farm
20th February 2010, 01:11 PM
Good ol' XP here, running latest 6.15.11 (no OzTopo). :)

Dooghan
20th February 2010, 10:06 PM
I'm running Win7 pro 32 and home 32, Mapsource 6.15.11 (no OzTopo). All working well here.

Wahroonga Farm
22nd February 2010, 05:30 AM
Latest version of MapSetToolKit.

V1.75 (2010/01/27)

http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/

- NEW: Backup and import a mapset
- NEW: Add lock and routing information in installed mapset list.
- FIX: Create FamiliesNT mapset.
- FIX: Errors in install mapset

Minaska
22nd February 2010, 07:33 PM
Hi guys - may not be related but may be too ...
Minaska - are you running Windows 7? WF are you?
I've had a few problems (increasingly worse it appears to me but maybe I'm sensitive) with Mapsource but it may be actually a Windows 7 issue.
I've had difficulties with Mapsource crashing and I have 6.15.7 not the latest versions. Brian of OzTopo fame suggests that Windows 7 could be the issue and that Garmin is aware of it.
Detectist

Yes, I am running Mapsource version 6.15.7 with Windows 7 on my new computer. I just tried changing Mapsource program properties in Windows 7 so it runs in Windows XP (service pack 3) compatability mode and so far I can NOT get it to crash with the OSM Qld + NT maps. So, Windows 7 is at least part of the problem. If I get time I'll fire up my old computer with Windows XP and see what happens under a real XP operating system. I should also see if updating Mapsource fixes the problem.

Thanks for feedback Detectist & Wahroonga Farm.

Regards,
Minaska

sharkcaver
23rd February 2010, 08:12 PM
Ok, so I tried to follow WF's how to. I must be missing something. using the latest mapsettoolkit, I get the osm mapping into the mapsource registry (apparently as shown on MStoolkit), but I have no drop down map for these in mapsource. What have I missed in John's comprehensive instructions?

Thanks,

Shane.

Wahroonga Farm
24th February 2010, 05:44 AM
Hi Shane,

Have you loaded / used other maps in Mapsource?

sharkcaver
24th February 2010, 06:09 PM
Hi Shane,

Have you loaded / used other maps in Mapsource?

Yep, Bluechart, CN, Shonky's, CA :blah :blah :blah

I'm a bit miffed. Might get a chance to play on the weekend.

Shane.

Wahroonga Farm
24th February 2010, 06:18 PM
Not sure?

How mine looks in Edit with v1.75.

sharkcaver
24th February 2010, 07:19 PM
and mine shows...So whats the difference I wonder?

Shane.

Wahroonga Farm
24th February 2010, 07:24 PM
Corrupted downloads from OSM Aus .. maybe?

sharkcaver
24th February 2010, 08:05 PM
I doubt it. Ive had 2 downloads from there, same effect. Thanks for your help anyway John. I wont tie your thread up but I'll have a "play" on the weekend.

Shane.

raycyndot
8th March 2010, 03:02 AM
all of you seem to know how to get maps on gps. you tell others what to read , but it gets you nowhere. whats needed is very straight forward--here is download-1-2-3-bam?, your done and it works? will be going to melbourne next week and need map for vic. any one know where and how to get.
thanks
raycyndot

Dooghan
8th March 2010, 08:35 AM
all of you seem to know how to get maps on gps. you tell others what to read , but it gets you nowhere. whats needed is very straight forward--here is download-1-2-3-bam?, your done and it works? will be going to melbourne next week and need map for vic. any one know where and how to get.
thanks
raycyndotHow about you read the first post of this thread again. Here is a nice video to watch on how to get the maps onto your GPS.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3868

If it is still all to hard maybe you should go to a local Garmin dealer and buy a copy of City Navigator on SD card. That way all you have to is insert the card into the GPS, turn it on and it works. Get the dealer to do it need be.

Michael
8th March 2010, 11:11 AM
Or you could follow your own advice posted in the ShonkyMap threads.


have solved problem after 2 mo. of download--delete--add
this, add that-do this --do that--read this--read that. after all
failed, here is way to fix problem--go to **** Smiths elect
& get yourself a navman gps with auz maps & youre good
to go.
raycyndot

phillipsart
8th March 2010, 01:49 PM
Or you could follow your own advice posted in the ShonkyMap threads.
:hysterica

I can't see how easier it could be. The first post does explain in simple terms how to get the maps onto your GPS.

I am happy the navman has solved your problem. Till you have to pay for updates. I heard updates are $149.00 for Navman.

Smouch
8th March 2010, 01:54 PM
Man..... The first post seems far more concise. WTF's the problem :eek

phillipsart
8th March 2010, 02:04 PM
Some people are very computer illiterate, even the simple tasks as turning on or off a computer can be a challenge for some.

Smouch
8th March 2010, 03:43 PM
Ok true........

Here is my 1 - 2 - 3 - BAM method.

1. Go Here.... http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
2. Choose a "predefined country".... Oceania - AUSTRALIA
3. Click Download map now!
4. Click on osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip and save the file to your computer....
5. Wait till it downloads......
6. Double click on the saved osm_routable_gmapsupp.zip on your computer....
7. Copy the “gmapsupp.img” to your GPS’s Garmin folder ***NOTE*** IF THERE IS A MAP ALREADY CALLED gmapsupp.img IT WILL BE ERASED (I.E. YOUR OLD MAP)***
8. Enable the map from within the GPS if required..... and BAM your good to go.


Guaranteed to work 10min ago....It did for me.....see

Smouch
8th March 2010, 07:34 PM
If anyone is still even remotely interested......and has not yet downgraded to a navman.......

Here is the most basic 1 - 2 - 3 OSM– Basecamp=MapInstall method.

1. Go Here.... http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php
2. Choose a "predefined country".... Oceania – AUSTRALIA
3. Click Download map now!
4. Click on osm_routable_mapsource.exe and save the file to your computer....
5. Wait till it downloads......
6. Double click on the saved osm_routable_mapsource.exe file on your computer which will open the setup wizard. Click ‘next’. Click ‘I Agree’. Click ‘Install’. Wait while the wizard installs OSM then click ‘finish’.
7. Plug your GPS into the computer via USB cable.
8. Start MapInstall which comes with the free Garmin Basecamp..Click next on 1st screen.
9. Click ‘find device’ if your GPS is not displayed in the Device:_____ window then click ‘next’ once it is found.
10. On the Bar at the bottom of the map window select ‘OSM World Routable”
11. Zoom out to 3000km and click-drag and hold the mouse over the map turning all the yellow map squares pink. 1 big one will remain yellow.... At this zoom the actual map of Australia will not be visible.
You could then go back to step 10 and select another map product if you have any installed

12 Click next and then finish to install the map on your GPS ‘s Garmin map folder ***NOTE*** IF THERE IS A MAP ALREADY CALLED gmapsupp.img IT WILL BE ERASED (I.E. YOUR OLD MAP)***
13. Enable the map from within the GPS if required..... and your good to go.

phillipsart
9th March 2010, 02:46 AM
Sometimes you don't get the option of "Download Map Now" instead it asks for your email address. Which they than email you the links to the files to download.
This is what I had to do a couple days ago. Looks like as soon a update is released the option "Download Map Now" don't show up till a day later.

Timmsy
26th May 2010, 04:04 AM
How to combine a bunch of OSM map tile IMG files into a mapset for use in Garmin MapSource.

WARNING: Read this carefully, three times at least, remember to backup, and also remember it's your responsibility!

The OSM Australia map tiles can be found at http://www.osmaustralia.org/garmin.php packaged up into ZIP files for each state plus an Overview tile.

MapsetToolkit_1.jpg


Run MapsetToolkit, make sure the application points to your installed copies of the cGPSmapper and GMapTool gmt utilities.


Press "Select IMG" (at top left of the dialog) to locate a folder of map tile images that you want to be in your mapset.


Either press "Select All" (at the left) or individually select the images in the list box on the left.


Press "Add" (top middle) to populate the listbox on the right.


To add images from another folder repeat steps 2 through 4. The images selected determine the amount of detail you get.

Note: Remember to include the "Overview" image when using OSM Australia or you won't get a map when you zoom out.!


Specify a "Mapset directory:" where you want to save the resultant mapset. You can use "..." to browse to this.


Specify a "Mapset name:" to give your mapset. This will eventually appear in the map list in MapSource.


Specify a "Family ID:" for the mapset (something not used by any other maps eg. 9999). The "Product ID:" will always default to 1.


If you want the mapset installed into MapSource directly then check the item "Install in Mapsource:"

Note: I prefer to hang off on this and do that part manually, however if you use a MAC then I'd check that box.


Press "START" and watch it go!

Note: This will spawn two command shell sessions to do the work.


Now look in your mapset folder, and you should see new copies of the IMG tiles along with DEM, MDX, MP, TDB, overview IMG and a handy REG registry file.

The registry file will now contain something like the following:


REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Famil ies\OSM Australia]
"ID"=hex:0f,27
"IDX"="C:\\_My\\GPS\\My Maps\\MapSource\\OSM Australia TEST\\OSM Australia.mdx"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Famil ies\OSM Australia\1]
"LOC"="C:\\_My\\GPS\\My Maps\\MapSource\\OSM Australia TEST\\"
"BMAP"="C:\\_My\\GPS\\My Maps\\MapSource\\OSM Australia TEST\\OSM Australia.img"
"TDB"="C:\\_My\\GPS\\My Maps\\MapSource\\OSM Australia TEST\\OSM Australia.tdb"

You will note that the "ID" entry is actually the "Family ID" you specified (eg. 270Fh = 9999).


To install in MapSource simply run the registry file by double clicking on it.

Note: To remove it you would use the registry editor and delete your mapset entries. (BE VERY CAREFUL DOING THIS)


Back in MapsetToolkit, press the "Update list" button and you should see your mapset entry listed.


Finally press the "Check Registry" button to see if there are any issues.

MapsetToolkit_2.jpg


Now open MapSource and play.


So far this is the only method which has worked for me and resulted in the correct information appearing in both the old and new versions of MapSource.

BTW Appologies if you can't see the images, I haven't sussed out how to embed these inline in a message yet, so there here as attachments.

Regards, Ian.

PS. I'm still trying to find a way to create a gmapsupp.img without having the damn GPS connected, ie. sendmap/mapsource/et-al aren't an option, any ideas much appreciated.

Nicko
26th May 2010, 12:36 PM
If it is okay, may I use your tutorial in our GPS Magazine?

Timmsy
26th May 2010, 03:25 PM
G'day Nicko

Sure, just remove the "BTW" and "PS" comments. :hatoff

BTW, correct the "Famil ies" to "Families" in the reg file sample. I tried editing the post but it doesn't seem to want to fix it. :confused

Cheers

Treadly
26th May 2010, 04:34 PM
I think the thread really needs to be split into two threads.

Everyone gives an explantation on how to download and install the world wide routable maps, which is dead easy, then they massively complicate things by explaining how to download and install IMG files from OSM Australia using some other program besides Mapsource.

I think we should have two threads,

1. A super basic one for downloading the installable file from OSM worldwide routable maps into Mapsource.

2. The more complicated one for installing IMG files from OSM Australia.

We can then direct the person to the appropiate thread depending on skill level.

Nicko
26th May 2010, 05:16 PM
tell me where it should be split (reply #)

Treadly
26th May 2010, 10:42 PM
Well perhaps it's too hard to split. Maybe just start a new one but without all the IMG file stuff. The post by Timmsy has 15 steps to it. It doesn't have to be that hard.

Wahroonga Farm
28th May 2010, 07:07 AM
How to combine a bunch of OSM map tile IMG files into a mapset for use in Garmin MapSource.....Hi Timmsy,

Can this procedure produce auto-routing OSM maps?

Timmsy
29th May 2010, 11:39 AM
Hi Timmsy,

Can this procedure produce auto-routing OSM maps?

I've not tried them yet, but I believe the same process can be used with the routable map tiles from http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php

It's my understanding that the routability of the map information is determined by what gets compiled into the underlying map tiles when they are created with mkgmap.

I'm still coming to grips with all this myself. :)

Cheers

Wahroonga Farm
29th May 2010, 12:44 PM
I've not tried them yet, ...I think you'll find that any installation that uses the free version of the compiler (cGPSmapper (http://cgpsmapper.com/) ), will not auto-route. The commercial Routable version of cgpsmapper ... will.

Hence the simple method at post #1, using the MapSetToolKit registry tool with auto-routing img's, (no cGPSmapper required). :)

JGD
14th June 2010, 12:26 PM
John,

Many thanks for these instructions - I used the OSM Australia maps and MapSetToolKit method to get the OSM maps into Mapsource (and nRoute).

I have one small problem though that somebody might be able to help me with.

When the OSM maps are sent to the GPS (Nuvi 255W) I can search for streets/address etc and route to them. No problem there.

However when I attempt to use the 'Find' function in MapSource (and nRoute) it is greyed out and can't be used, meaning I can't search for a street/address etc to route to them.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
JGD

Wahroonga Farm
14th June 2010, 04:47 PM
Hi JGD,

Yes I get the same thing.

If I was smarter I would know why. :)

The other two readily available routable OSM's, World routable and MTB do work with 'Find' in Mapsource.

JGD
14th June 2010, 05:09 PM
Don't we all wish we were smarter :)

I'll try the world routable set at some stage. I always thought that mapset was more outdated, and while they are not updated daily it seems they are updated weekly - if that is the case then that is more than good enough for me!

Detectist
14th June 2010, 05:25 PM
Love a challenge - from a low knowledge base tho'
My "find" works in Mapsource and NRoute but lets keep to Mapsource for now.
Tell us more.
Can you see "Find" as a usable tab in the "Preferences" tab in "Edit"?
What maps are listed in Mapsource?
What version of Mapsource are you using?

ps - I've always found the world routable (Lambertus's I think we are referring to) easier to load into programs than the other way. Installs itself and is easily replaced when you want to update.

Wahroonga Farm
14th June 2010, 05:32 PM
Yup. :)

But not here :( ... with OSM Australia.

JGD
14th June 2010, 05:38 PM
Hi Detectist.

Yep, I can see the 'Find' tab in preferences, when any map is selected (OSM, CityNav, Shonky, etc).

If I switch to a CityNav map and click on 'Find' on the menu bar then I can select 'Find Places' etc, however when I switch back to the OSM map and I click on 'Find' then the 'Find Places' option is greyed out (Like in the images posted in the post above).

As mentioned I installed the maps to MapSource using John's method of using the OSM Australia .img files and making them visable using the MapSetToolKit program.

Any suggestions would of course be appreciated.

Nicko
14th June 2010, 06:44 PM
You want the good news or bad news?

JGD
14th June 2010, 06:54 PM
Can I take the good news only?

I'll take a swipe at the bad news - it's not possible using the OSM Australia maps, at least not the simple way mentioned.

Detectist
14th June 2010, 07:11 PM
Well I've installed Mapsettoolkit and downloaded only the OSM routable files for NSW (and the Aust overview tdb files) from OSM Aust and it all appeared in mapsource with little difficulty and I can still see "Find".
I restarted the process again to try to duplicate the problem you are having but couldn't get OSM NSW to load this time - perhaps my Oztoppo 2.1b/Garmin problem is interfering a bit.

As a matter of interest - have you zoomed in? When I looked at NRoute the "Find" was greyed out but came good (in seconds) when I zoomed in.

Detectist
14th June 2010, 07:21 PM
hmmm - "Find" doesn't work on a few other mapsets either. It does on "shonky large scale" (to city anyway) but not on "shonky full topo". it does on City navigator but not on T4APro.
Nicko looks like he knows something.

JGD
15th June 2010, 09:01 AM
Just tried different zoom levels as suggested - no avail.

The 'Find' option appears available in MapSource on:
- All installed CityNav maps
- Shonky Large Scale

But does not appear on:
- OSM (installed with MapSetToolKit)
- Contours 5m
- All other Shonky products

Find wroks on all when the maps are viewed on the Nuvi 255W unit (at least on maps are meant to be be routable).

Oh, as as requested earlier I'm running MapSource 6.15.1.

Dooghan
15th June 2010, 05:36 PM
Just tried different zoom levels as suggested - no avail.

The 'Find' option appears available in MapSource on:
- All installed CityNav maps
- Shonky Large Scale

But does not appear on:
- OSM (installed with MapSetToolKit)
- Contours 5m
- All other Shonky products

Find wroks on all when the maps are viewed on the Nuvi 255W unit (at least on maps are meant to be be routable).

Oh, as as requested earlier I'm running MapSource 6.15.1.As I am the creator of Contours Australia 5m I know I DIDN'T index the maps for Mapsource. What I mean by indexing is make them searchable so you can use the find menu item. Just having a look at Shonky and the OSM Aust maps and they are not index.

Detectist
15th June 2010, 08:15 PM
thanks Dooghan - I half wondered if it was an indexing type of thing. What's a TDB file then? Is it an index for another application?

Dooghan
15th June 2010, 09:31 PM
thanks Dooghan - I half wondered if it was an indexing type of thing. What's a TDB file then? Is it an index for another application?As far as I know the TDB is just the map index file. I think the MDX file has something to do with the find menu. Not a 100% sure though.

JGD
16th June 2010, 08:12 PM
Thanks for the info - that would explain the lack of a 'Find' function.

I guess at the end of the day if you need the search function in MapSource then the OSM world routable maps can be installed.

koszi
22nd August 2010, 05:34 PM
I'm having similar issues to Sharkcaver. I have followed the detailed instructions for loading OSM routable maps into Mapsource 6.15.11 , using MapSetToolKit 1.77 on Windows 7 64 bit which seemed straight forward enough (thanks wahroonga farm). The MapSetToolKit runs without error and shows the new registry entries for the OSM files. I can edit the entries and "check registry" and everything looks fine. However, they don't appear in the Mapsource maps list. I have shonky maps loaded without any problems. I have tried deleting and re-adding the shonky large scale map using mapsettoolkit just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. That worked (i.e. when deleted it was removed from the mapsource list, and when added it reappeared).

I had an old version of Mapsource 6.13 which I have upgraded to see if that was the problem.

I've been browsing the forum looking for clues most of the afternoon and haven't turned up anything other than the reference from sharkcarver. I am new to this so please be gentle if I have missed something obvious, but any clues at this stage would be useful as I have had a very frustrating afternoon so far.

sharkcaver
22nd August 2010, 06:07 PM
Kozi, if you do stumble across a solution, please post. I gave up as I had bigger fish to fry back then. Good luck, sorry I can not offer any advice.

Shane.

bun
22nd August 2010, 07:55 PM
Koszi Try deleting Pacific maps.They have same code as OSM
maps .Good luck.Tom

Disorganise
29th August 2010, 10:00 AM
Well I must be a special kind of stupid!

I installed mapsource no problem.
I downloaded the OSM_routable_mapsource.exe
In mapsource under Utilities/Manager Map Products I can see the OSM World Routable entry with status 'not lockable'.

But I see no map and trying to File/Open any of the img files results in *** is not a valid MapSource file and could not be opened.

So I downloaded MapSetToolKit - from what I can tell the maps are already installed (which I think is why mapsource lists OSM?).

So I don't get it - am I supposed to see a map in mapsource?
NB - I have nuvi 255 which I have NOT plugged in. I planned to have a look at the maps on the PC first before risking breaking the nuvi.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree entirely - I've made the assumption that I can download the OSM maps and update the Nuvi *instead* of paying the $100+ that Garmin want for updated maps. is that correct?

mihermano
29th August 2010, 10:47 AM
Yes the OSM map/s should be viewable in Mapsource.
If OSM appears in the map dropdown menu at top left corner of Mapsource screen (under the menu bar), click on OSM in the list.

Disorganise
29th August 2010, 12:19 PM
The Maps,waypoints/routes and track tabs are all blank.

I did notice that file/open it seems to want gdb, mps, gpx, tcx or loc files, where as OSM supplied img files.

Am I supposed to convert?

MapSetToolkit in the 'Mapset installed' section has one entry"
Families\OSM World Routable, 2000, 3, OSM World Routable, No, Yes, 162311

There's got to be something simple I'm missing

mihermano
29th August 2010, 04:27 PM
On the Mapsource screen, go to View>Show Toolbars>View and ensure that this option "View" is ticked.

Then on the main Mapsource screen, click on the down arrow to the right of the map view box at top left of the screen. If compatible maps are installed correctly to the computer (eg: OSM World Routable, etc.), they should display in the dropdown menu.

In my experience .img files are not viewable in Mapsource.


XP sp3
Mapsource 6.15.7

Disorganise
29th August 2010, 04:38 PM
I finally figured it out.

View Menu/Switch to Product and pick the OSM World Routable - it defaults to 'no map' - at least in 6.16.2

Now I have the map :) Knew it had to be something simple

Wahroonga Farm
30th August 2010, 08:34 AM
:) :) :)

kbosward
30th August 2010, 08:47 AM
I finally figured it out.

View Menu/Switch to Product and pick the OSM World Routable - it defaults to 'no map' - at least in 6.16.2
Make sure you also do View --> Show Toolbars and ensure that the "View" toolbar is ticked. Then you will get the drop down list on the toolbar that others have been talking about.

Ken.

Disorganise
30th August 2010, 11:48 AM
Thanks -I checked view is enabled but can't see a drop down. either it's gone in the new version or I'm also blind in addition to being dumb; not really my finest week :)

Wahroonga Farm
30th August 2010, 12:45 PM
Like this :)

Disorganise
30th August 2010, 05:46 PM
I don't seem to have that:
http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3546&stc=1

Wahroonga Farm
30th August 2010, 05:51 PM
Like this?

Disorganise
30th August 2010, 09:42 PM
Nope - must either be gone in the new version, or Windows 7 turns it off

Detectist
30th August 2010, 09:47 PM
Hi Disorganise
Just a thought ...
Have you also more than one Mapsource product installed? You may not get the drop down list if only one Mapsource product is there.
Detectist

kbosward
31st August 2010, 07:47 AM
Yes, Detectist is correct. You won't get the drop down list if you have only one map installed in Mapsource.

Go to OSM Australia Routable Maps (http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php) and install them using MapSetToolKit (http://sites.google.com/site/cypherman1/) (or alternatively request a self-installing OSM package from Worldwide Routable Garmin maps (http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php) -- but you often have to wait quite some time before you can download your request) and once you have those installed in addition to Shonky you will then get the drop down list.

If you want a third set of maps, grab the Openmtbmap.org (http://openmtbmap.org/download/#continents) maps which are auto-routing OSM-based maps specifically for mountain biking. They are next to useless for auto-routing for cars (since they prefer bike tracks) but they look very nice. They are also self-installing packages.

Ken.

binns1012
31st August 2010, 03:54 PM
Hi I installed the openmtbmap running win7 and it does not show up in mapsource although when I was using winxp it showed ok anyone any clues ?
regards Tony

Treadly
31st August 2010, 04:36 PM
This problem is usually caused by registery problems. Do a search on the subject.

kbosward
1st September 2010, 08:35 AM
Hi I installed the openmtbmap running win7 and it does not show up in mapsource although when I was using winxp it showed ok anyone any clues ?
regards Tony
The readme_english.txt file that you will find in the openmtbmap installation folder contains some info about installing on Vista and Windows 7.

Ken.

binns1012
1st September 2010, 09:02 AM
HI Ken I followed the readme to the letter to install and it in fact shows it in the product list under view but the map is not showing in the main window see my previouse screenshot . Btw I tried the self extracting file and also the bat files and still no map .
regards Tony

mihermano
1st September 2010, 10:31 AM
Hi. On OSM maps there can be a lot of blank space in places (eg: the ocean, which isn't blue), even at closer zoom levels. It's one of the very few things I don't like about OSM maps.

If the registry looks OK, "Tranfer" some waypoints into Mapsource from your GPSr, and try Zooming in to the Waypoints.

binns1012
1st September 2010, 10:56 AM
Hi I did the transfer of some waypoints to mapsource and they showed up ok and then I selected one of them to be shown on map and it just showed the waypoint but no map so I delved a little further and noticed that under view basic map was selected so I unchecked it and ta da I got my map back . Hope this helps some of the others having this problem and thanks again for all your suggestions .
regards Tony

lowaloysius
22nd October 2010, 01:54 AM
hi all,

my first post :) i'm planning my tasmania road trip using OSM World Routable maps but had some problems so i thought of trying out OSM Australia... BUT...

yea, i'm having the same problem as well... it's a blank map for me, i see nothing when i switch to OSM Australia (as compared to OSM World Routable).. I have downloaded all the files from http://www.osmaustralia.org/garminroute.php and unzipped everything into the same directory, and registered using the mapset toolkit...

anyone any idea what's wrong? by the way aren't the img file sizes a bit too small? i'm expecting megabytes but they are mostly in kilobytes...

by the way, anyone using the OSM World Routable having any problems trying to route from Launceston to Devonport via the Brass Highway? My mapsource always crashes, and i noticed there's some gap along the map section borders...

thanks in advance!

Wahroonga Farm
22nd October 2010, 06:34 AM
Hi and :welcome,

OSM Aus hiccups every now and again.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17834

Yes ... a handful of Kb's is the clue. :)

A polite note to Matt will get his attention. matt@osmaustralia.org

falbrook
11th June 2011, 08:05 PM
It now works after downloading the latest overview map, so perhaps yesterday's was corrupted. No need for help this time.

thanks


__________________________________________________ _





I've followed the instructions posted by Wahroonga on using Map Set Tool to load OSM maps to Mapsource, but it only partly works (or I only partly work with it).

I have followed the procedure, but in Mapsource I only see a blank square where the maps should be. If I try the map select tool) it shows the tiles (for Australia) and can selct them, but actual map shows.

It all looks correct in Map Set and Map Source, but obviously I've missed some step or something is amiss.

It could be the OSM issue as discussed in the most recent posts. The img files I have (downloaded today) range from about 3000kB to 9000kB.

Any suggestions?

thanks

Wahroonga Farm
12th June 2011, 09:28 AM
Most excellent. :)

whichway
16th July 2011, 12:24 PM
Thanks to all for the excellent instructions. I have got the OSM maps into Mapsource

I tried sending the map to the Edge 705 and that wouldn;t work. So I just tried sending the maps to a separate USB drive, and I get the same message - "Map set is approx 22.5MB, but only 1086.sMB is available in the destination"

The USB drive is of the type that has a mini SD card installed.

Any ideas as to what I should do. If I can get the map to the USB, then I think I can move the file to the EDGE

Any ideas?

Nicko
16th July 2011, 01:51 PM
Be better to install onto a microSDcard

whichway
16th July 2011, 03:15 PM
Double checked - it is a micro sd card

whichway
16th July 2011, 06:00 PM
Reloaded OSM files and worked OK to SD card. So all OK.

Marbelup
14th August 2011, 11:07 PM
Further to some earlier comments about the boundaries between the different state files in OSM Australia, I noticed that Kununurra and the Bungle Bungle (Purnululu) NP are actually on the NT map. Fortunately, I noticed this before we went there in June so I loaded the NT map onto a spare SD card (for my older Nuvi) so I could swap between the WA and NT maps.

On the same trip, I also tried an iPhone app called EveryTrail which allowed me to preload OSM map tiles for a defined area into the iPhone, so the maps were accessible outside phone coverage area. This worked very well. The iPhone GPS was considerably more sensitive than the Nuvi and even worked below decks on a largish aluminium boat off the Kimberley coast, whereas the Nuvi only worked on deck. I usually had to take the iPhone on deck to get an initial fix, but then it worked below deck.

EveryTrail has the option to download "Terrain" maps which are actually the Open Cycle Map tiles. These were useful as they included contours and helped locate landscape features. Provided both OSM and OCM tiles were preloaded, the view could be swapped "on the fly".

I also used another iPhone app GPS Status which was useful as it indicated the fix quality and accuracy of the iPhone GPS at any time, as well as indicating basic position and speed information (but no map).

They had some sophisticated GPS gear on the boat which would auto steer the boat to follow a predefined course including changes of direction at waypoints, etc. As the operators had been cruising in that area for some years, they had a library of saved courses which avoided shallow water, islands, and other obstructions, which was just as well as a lot of travelling was done at night.

ashcon1
22nd August 2011, 04:09 PM
Can anyone advise where to download OSM australia maps ? btw what does OSM stand for? sorry newbie here. Thks.

Nicko
22nd August 2011, 04:13 PM
google it, takes you straight to it

ashcon1
22nd August 2011, 04:29 PM
google it, takes you straight to itNicko, Thks for the help. Fyi for everyone's benefit. found the link http://www.osmaustralia.org/garmin.php

hornet3
26th September 2011, 05:54 PM
Thanks to the help of the members of this forum I loaded OSM World Routable maps for Australia into Mapsource on my laptop and also managed to load them into my Garmin Quest for my forthcoming holiday in Australia. I do however find that names of cities are not displayed on the maps and I also cannot find city names using the Find menu. Have I done something wrong during the installation process? Thank you

mihermano
26th September 2011, 10:24 PM
Hi. Address searching is one of the few limitations of OSM maps. I find navigation auto-routing using OSM World Routable
works best by placing a Waypoint at the destination, and then navigating to the Waypoint.

Viewing OSM World Routable maps in Mapsource, with Detail set at "Medium" (View > Map Detail > Medium), cities should display at 15km zoom or closer. For more detail in Mapsource, the setting of "Highest" (View > Map Detail > Highest) displays the most map detail.

No experience with the Quest GPSr, however I'd have thought a city (or locality) search on the GPSr would work? (something like Find > Cities > ..., and then a spell search).

Hope this is some help. :)

hornet3
27th September 2011, 02:16 PM
Hi Mihermano,

Thank you for your reply and advice. Names of cities on Mapsouce on the laptop still do not display, no matter what the detail settings or zoom are, although rivers, street names and highways do. I can however, use the find button on my GPS device itself to find cities but not on the laptop - Strange! The find function works, but cities are not found. I think this has something to do with the fact that city names are not displayed. Using the GPS device I have to ensure that the cursor (arrow) is somewhere near the city I am looking for as it searches near the arrow. This does not help in Mapsource.

mihermano
27th September 2011, 09:05 PM
?
Are OSM maps displaying in Mapsource (View > Switch to Product > OSM World Routable)?

Have you tried Find > Find Places > City(tab) > (type in the city name (eg: Brisbane)) > Find


=OSM World Routable maps (installed to PC about 12 months ago using Windows Installer option from Lambertus)
=Mapsource v6.16.3
=Windows XP

A (blurry) screencap of Brisbane City

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hornet3
28th September 2011, 12:22 AM
Yes it displays as OSM World Routable. My mapsource is V6.15.6 and Windows XP. I have just removed the country name (Aus) from the search window and then it gives me the city!! Amazing. Thanks for your help. When I type a city name like Brisbane with the country name added in the last field it says no items found!!

don.thomas
8th December 2011, 11:53 AM
A great thread, I use the OSM australia maps (only just got routeables today) but never realised they can be all installed together. I think I now know my problem (the overview map) and will have a go at it. Working with individual maps is a pain near map junctions.
So only had a quick play with auot route, but I love it already.
I think I have to get a mapping GPSr now where did I see those new etrexs...

Update:
So I got it to work but not quite according to these instructions which seem pretty clear and make it look simple (which is how I feel) :p

So I got the latest routable files from OSMAustralia, I've already got mapsettoolkit.
I put all the routable img files(and extra overview file) for NSW QLD VIC & TAS into one folder and opened 'toolkit'.
I couldn't enter the necessary info in the "install" window (after hitting 'install' button) so I tried my prevous method (screen shot follows)
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I had to point to the containing folder and get all the img files listed in the top right window and sellect them, enter some detail in the mid left side area and make the selections sown the lower right then hit the start button.
It all worked though so that is great.
Last Question though,
at the seam between between vic and NSW there is a bit of a "funny" strip. Is it possible to hide one map from view (I'm in mapsource) so as to overcome that?

PS, Its fun seeing the minor roads in our area that I've already up loaded to OSM :)

Nicko
8th December 2011, 12:16 PM
You have to make sure the GPS can handle multiple maps as the older units could only handle one supplementary map. I have not determined if the eTrex 20 and eTrex 30 can as yet.

don.thomas
8th December 2011, 02:42 PM
You have to make sure the GPS can handle multiple maps as the older units could only handle one supplementary map. I have not determined if the eTrex 20 and eTrex 30 can as yet.
Thanks for that tip, I guess I should'nt restrict my self to Garmin but I feel used to them (incuding the software).

mihermano
8th December 2011, 03:16 PM
I'd guess that Garmin wouldn't take a backward step to the less versatile map naming conventions of older mapping handhelds. The GPSmap62S, 78S, Colorado, Oregon, Dakota, all now use the same easy system for naming supplemental maps. It would be good though to get confirmation that the new mapping eTrexes are the same.

It's not more difficult (but can be more time consuming) IMO to transfer maps together as one gmapsupp.img file via Mapsource, providing they're all available from within Mapsource.
:)

mikeant
26th December 2011, 04:12 PM
Help from a newbie! I followed the instructions at the top of the thread and downloaded 19No dot IMG files of the eastern side of Australia, there were also a single dot mdx and a single .tdb files. Saved all these in C:\Garmin\OSM World Routable\zipped Australia maps. Then I opened up 7-Zip and got them all on the screen. I lit up the first file, told it to extract to C:\OSM Australia and then pressed on OK.
I then got the message 0 Cannot open file C:\garmin\OSM Worldwide Routable\zipped Australia maps\63240000.img as archive

What am I doing wrong?

Wahroonga Farm
26th December 2011, 04:40 PM
Hi and welcome,

Reading between the lines a bit.

If you are using W7 it automatically extracts the zip files, so skip the '7-zip' bit.

As an example, here is the NSW, 'zip' and extracted '.img' files.

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mikeant
27th December 2011, 02:57 PM
The attachment that you sent has a red X in the box and no amount of left or right hand clicking does anything So I am non the wiser. Please assume that I am totally ignorant (which is not far from the truth) and help me through the process to get Mapsource to read the zipped files that I have downloaded as descibed in my first post. I am not quite sure how technology has so comprehensively overtaken me seeing as how I was a Fortran programmer back in the 70s, however these days I feel so helpless! Perhaps it is advancing senility!

Wahroonga Farm
27th December 2011, 03:39 PM
Maybe this works for you?

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http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4605/clipboard01kx.png

mikeant
27th December 2011, 04:32 PM
Ok I have seen that you have a file called NSW_route.img.zip followed by four .img files. My C:\Garmin\OSM Australia file now holds the 19No .img files and the single files as I described before but I do not have a zip file. Loading MapsetToolkit works as you have described in your instructions until I click on Install. At which point the same sub window illustrated in your instructions appears but the Mapset name box is greyed out. Clicking just on the right of that allows be to select the OSM Australia file at which point nothing happens as the programme is looking for a .reg file and none exist in this folder. What next, sorry to be so stupid.

mihermano
27th December 2011, 06:04 PM
Hi. There might be a 'crossed wire' somewhere? It may be easier to start again from scratch and go with the "OSM World Routable" option. :)

*Assuming you want OSM Routable maps (of Australia) and already have Mapsource *installed* and working on Windows PC:

Go here http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ for OSM World Routable map/s.
Read all the site directions.
Pan to Australia.
Select Australia from the Oceania dropdown list (or manually select the map tiles you want).
Enter email address and click "Build Maps" (or maybe "Download Maps Now" which is slightly different and bypasses the email part)

Wait for the email from Lambertus (I think, sometimes a few days but currently less than 2 hours).
From the link/page in the email, download the osm_routable_mapsource.exe (to Desktop).
Unzip the zipped file (IE: Right-click the zip file and choose open archive, open here, extract here, or whatever).
Double-click on the extracted Installer, and follow the prompts.
Done. View the OSM maps from within Mapsource.
:)

Wahroonga Farm
28th December 2011, 04:17 AM
Hi. There might be a 'crossed wire' somewhere? It may be easier to start again from scratch and go with the "OSM World Routable" option. :)
:)

Tks mihermano,

me 'tinks a different tack is in order.

The OSM Aus site is very useful for those who want the very latest updates (updated daily) and is useful to active OSM up loaders.

The OSM World routable is so much easier to install.

Cheers

PS Once you get your link the landing page now looks like this (has detail about each compilation).

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