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cuvier100
27th December 2008, 10:07 AM
For the last few weeks I have been helping my son install a Garmin GVN 53 into his Holden Commodore VE SSV using the inbuilt colour LCD.

The task was to install a Garmin 3D GPS with text to Speech (spoken street names) and RGB video output using the Holden Colour LCD screen for around $1.2k. The composite input using the aux switches off at around 3kMPH so this was not suitable. Plus the resolution of the composite video is not flash. The Holden LCD also does not support a touch screen so a unit with a remote had to be used.

The Holden sat nav units are $2.5k when ordering a new car or about $3.5k to $4k fitted aftermarket! The Holden unit uses a DVD to load the maps and has a terrible 2D screen and no text to speech. Its like buying ten year old technology at "skiming" prices. The VDO unit was similar but at $2.5k. The HiTV unit comes in around 2.0k and uses the factory radio knobs but has poor 2D/3D map displays with no text to speech.

We therefore purchased a Garmin GVN 53 from Octapc with the 09 maps ($0.6k without maps and $0.85k with maps). Made a custom harness so that we had a RGB output from the GVN 53. Sourced an interface (GMLAN Module) so that the Holden LCD screen will activate when the Sat Nav button is pressed. This required a logic signal to the GMLAN to tell the radio head unit to switch on the RGB LCD input.

Then we designed and built a mute interface between the GMLAN module and Garmin GVN 53 so that the factory sound system dropped in volume and permitted the Garmin to talk using the factory speakers.

After a number or prototypes and testing its completed. A demo of the completed project can be seen at: http://www.eftel.net.au/~jdiz/output1.avi

We are now thinking about an IR interface between the Garmin and Holden Radio buttons but the remote on the Garmin is very easy to use as it is the same as using a telephone to send SMS messages. Plus the remote only uses one button for most commands so it is very easy to use.

Mike

Art
28th December 2008, 04:41 AM
Wow!
Now that's a project :) looks real good.
Is the Holden LCD exactly the same size as the Garmin model?

cuvier100
28th December 2008, 07:06 AM
Hi Art,

The GVN 53 does not have an LCD. It is just a black box and is designed to be configured with any type of LCD that has an RGB or composite input.

Mike

Art
28th December 2008, 08:44 PM
Ah, ok, I didn't know there was a Garmin like that available.


The composite input using the aux switches off at around 3kMPH so this was not suitable.
It would be cool to have the GPS display any time the vehicle is below 3KMPH, but I guess you'd be unscrewing things to find a signal for that.

cuvier100
28th December 2008, 11:10 PM
The GPS uses the RGB input and therefore is on all the time and is not blocked at after 3kMPH.

Art
30th December 2008, 06:17 AM
I mean have the GPS override whatever other input is active below 3KMPH,
so the GPS is always displaying at those speeds.

Crunchie
8th March 2009, 10:00 AM
Great project, I am looking to do the same but I am not having any joy regarding the RGB interface or the muting option.

mlenser
8th March 2009, 02:49 PM
How do you input addresses etc the gps - I assume the stereo doesn't have a touch screen?

cuvier100
8th March 2009, 09:09 PM
Crunchie,

You need to activate the Sat Nav Option on the Holden entertainment unit.

One method is to activate the GPS via the RGB inputs is to use a module that interfaces with the single wire GMLAN and therefore sends a signal to the GMLAN to turn on the SAT nav options, menu and RGB input. The muting is also done the same way (i.e. it turns the volume down and places the sat nav audio on the Holden radio speakers). The module is a device that sends a binary code to the GMLAN. You cannot make it yourself unless you understand the GMLAN binary code required. Another possible way is to reprogram the radio software (but I have not done this).

You need to get this issue sorted before purchasing the GVN53.

You maybe able to buy a module from Adrian at No limits in Melbourne or Brian at Autotainment in Perth. You will also need to ensure that it is compatible with the mute function on the GVN as the GVN is switched to ground (high or low) and the typical modules I have seen around want a 5 Vdc input max.

The special harness to connect to the Holden entertainment unit can be purchased from Holden as a spare part for about $28.00. I think No limits can supply the same already made up. Its the smaller wiring harness for the Holden sat nav system. You need to modify it to suit - which is easy.

You also need to modify the GVN53 harness for RGB and this involves puling out the wires from the GVN53 plug you don't need and pushing them into the holes you need. Or getting the pins from an old 1.44 floppy drive plug. You prize out part of the plug on the side and the pins come out.

To spread the cost of the module you may also want to incorporate a reversing camera which requires a module or the software on the radio flashed.

You might find that these modules are expensive as the companies selling them are also selling the HiTV units and wnat you to buy this unit. The HiTV uses the Holden radio buttons and is much better than the Holden option. But its navigation software is extremely disappointing. You spend about $2000 for something which uses the same looking maps as the really cheap ebay GPS units. But it is the only real option if you can't get the GVN53 GMLAN interface.

The pins arrangements can be found at this site:

http://www.eftel.net.au/~jdiz/scan.pdf


The GVN53 uses a remote control which is much easier to use than using the buttons on the Holden entertainment unit. The GVN53 also supports spoken street names and the latest Gamin maps. To me this is what it is all about.

As Holden don't support a touch screen the remote is a good substitute.

Mike

Nicko
8th March 2009, 10:06 PM
all I get is a black screen and audio in media player... so i can't see what you have done.... very weird

mlenser
8th March 2009, 11:29 PM
Works for me Nicko. Must be a video codec missing. I use k-Lite Codec Packs and very rarely can't watch a video.

cuvier100
9th March 2009, 07:41 PM
Nicko,

Yes, you need the K-lite codecs.

Mike

Nicko
9th March 2009, 09:21 PM
ok I have watched it, pretty good indeed. Shame you didn't take any snap shots of your work in progress.

cuvier100
10th March 2009, 06:21 PM
Here are some pics of the install. Description and links below.

GPS receiver near the centre speaker under the grill. Magnetic mount but tape and stick on padding for confidence.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2015&stc=1

Left side of dash console with glove box removed.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&stc=1

Left side with Garmin in position but not connected.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2019&stc=1

Left side with the Garmin control cover open (not connected).


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2020&stc=1

Right side under dash


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2017&stc=1

Right side under dash with all wiring in place.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2018&stc=1

Mike

turbocorty
15th May 2009, 10:58 PM
You guy's may be interested to know that the GVN53 is now fully integrated into the VE, and all functions are controlled via the headunit.

See video for DEMO.

Cheershttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZcfd9GaAA8

Nicko
15th May 2009, 11:06 PM
So the screen is not a touch screen? Interesting method in choosing options etc. Great effort.

turbocorty
15th May 2009, 11:50 PM
No The screen is not touch...

For this reason most of the buttons have dual functions - eg the 6 softkeys select the menu item that appears above them when pressed and release quickly, they also select menu items 1 to 6 when pressed and held for longer than 2 seconds.

The rotary knob doubles up as a zoom button when held pressed for longer than 2 second.

These are the limitations, but the system is still very easy to navigate and use.

cheers

vicracer
22nd May 2009, 09:22 PM
Hi Guys, I only have composite out on my GPS unit, so is there any way to convert composite to RGB so I dont have the screen turning off in motion.
thanks in advance.

turbocorty
24th May 2009, 06:21 AM
most units have rgb also.

what brand/make is your unit?

cheers

vicracer
24th May 2009, 08:17 PM
Naa it only has Composite. I had it given to me awhile ago and I think I've fond more wrong with than just that. But after checking out the Garmin GVN53 I think I'll just bite the bullet and spend the money to get one.

Thx again.

Vette1
30th June 2009, 10:40 AM
Hi turbocorty have you thought about selling this setup as a kit for us non electronic people. Or is this not viable due to labour time?

turbocorty
30th June 2009, 11:03 PM
Hi Vette1,

Depending on demand, it may be an option to create a plug and play kit. You would still need to take apart your glove box and other trims to install the system. With good instructions, this would not be too difficult I guess.
The system is now available from any of the CAMS member audio shops.
Cheers,

cuvier100
1st July 2009, 08:21 PM
We upgraded the GVN53 module's interface unit so that the GPS can be controlled from the Holden's air conditioning and entertainment control buttons. It's fantastic!

In my view it is the best aftermarket unit around to suit the VE colour LCD screen. It is also money well spent. The price for the GVN unit installed is also now extremely reasonable considering what Holden want for their cumbersome and obsolete sat nav unit.

At the same time as the upgrade we installed an Alpine reversing camera with autoswitching module.

Mike

cssjamin
9th July 2009, 02:42 PM
Thanks for the info... this is my first post
My business partner and I are seriously looking into this and appreciate the info already provided :)

cuvier100
9th July 2009, 03:19 PM
CSSJamin,

You won't be disappointed!

If you are in Melbourne Nolimits have a good deal with this unit installed.

Otherwise PM turbocorty and he should be able to help you or point you in the right direction.

Cheers

Mike

cssjamin
9th July 2009, 03:28 PM
Thanks Mike,

We are in Adelaide... no anyone there that can provide pricing and/or installation?

Richard

turbocorty
9th July 2009, 08:18 PM
Hi,

Tonkins car audio in adelaide should be able to help you.

Cheers

Devoran
3rd August 2009, 12:07 PM
Hi there,

Do you guys have anyone in Brisbane that sells everything required and can do the installs? Looks like a great system.

One thing I did notice is that HiTV are now doing a touchscreen-driven option (http://www.holden.org.au/index.cfm?objectid=A6D5F515-0A8F-722A-4D6D1A24EB760A48). I can't find further information about this, but assume they are using some sort of overlay or something to achieve this? Just wondering if you guys have looked into this possibility or whether it's a limitation of the Garmin unit?

I'll be going with this option either way - the HiTV maps etc are terrible. No TTS puts me off too.

Nicko
3rd August 2009, 12:39 PM
This does have an overlay but requires technical know how in modifying the VE

turbocorty
3rd August 2009, 05:30 PM
Hi Devoran,

The gold cast car sound stores should be able to help you.
The Tweed heads store has already installed a couple so give them a call and they may be able to direct you to someone closer.

The main issue with the touchscreen option is the factory warranty and the durability of the conversion once done.

Cheers

benspi
4th September 2009, 02:28 PM
Hello what GM LAN interface did you use the model would help and more detail on the install plugs, pinouts and so on.

thanks

scoutmaster
12th September 2009, 09:59 PM
...me.too.tm

I'd like to buy a kit of parts, and that goes for the reversing camera mod as well. would really like to install both, especially now the mod has the buttons on the head unit working...

any clues, documnetation, pinouts, parts lists, where/who to buy from etc appreciated...

:ScoutMaster

entjoe
19th November 2009, 06:38 AM
Hi I am new to this forum and have read this treat with interest. can someone please explan
1./ what a GM lan is in this case? is it just some wires or is it a programable module and what does it do?
2/ What does it do?
3/ is it just specific to the connection of the gps ? or does it have other functions?

Thanks

turbocorty
19th November 2009, 06:49 AM
Hi,

GMLAN is the general motors local area network within your vehicle. It is used to allow all the components in you vehicle to communicate to each other.

There are a few modules available to do different things - The Garmin module allows you to connect the GVN53 and control it via the factory buttons.
The REV-09 module allows you to connect a reverse camera that switches automatically when you select reverse.

Instructions are included with the kits.

The Garmin kit can be purchased from any CAM audio member and the REV-09 directly from me.

Cheers

entjoe
19th November 2009, 11:20 AM
Thank you turbocorty
How do I find the Cam Audio members? and what does the Garmin module include.

With the reversing cam what does that cost? and what do you get with it?

Thanks Again

vitalium
18th March 2011, 05:11 PM
Hi, for right connection GPS Garmin GVN53 to Alpine (Pioneer or Kenwood) you need use special controllers.
For example this: UPS1 TOUCHSCREEN CONROLLER FOR MULTIMEDIA DEVICES (Alpine Pioneer or Kenwood) .
It's UPS1 allow to connect GVN53 to Alpine's navi connector, with use RGB lines.

http://s53.radikal.ru/i142/1103/3b/948008345a56.jpg

Manual (http://www.hvi.od.ua/instr/instruction%20asnual%20ups1%20-%20alpine_eng2.pdf)

vitalium
24th March 2011, 10:38 PM
If you need to connect GVN53 to car's headunit , you can use touchscreen controller TSC-205IM


ADMIN NOTE: TSC-205IM updated to TSC-206IM see post #82



http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/1103/c5/94ac7cbb01eb.jpg

http://i056.radikal.ru/1103/97/5f9fed5a64d9.jpg

vitalium
24th March 2011, 10:42 PM
It is schem : "How to connect GVN53 to Toyota or Lexus "

http://s001.radikal.ru/i194/1103/30/e46a2ccbe01a.jpg

vitalium
4th July 2011, 04:14 PM
Hi everyone !

This is Toyota Venza 2010 + GPS navi system Phantom (can be connect other F1 or GVN53) + controller touchscreen TSC-205IM + RGB - commutator .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGECMgQJsRE


This is Toyota Prado + GPS navi system Garmin GVN53 + multyfunctional controller touchscreen TIE-200s .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnn2Z4QIAk&feature=related

This is Lexus GS300 + GPS navi system Garmin gvn53 + back camera+ dvd +multyfunctional controller touchscreen TIE-200s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT2yYbDy_FA&feature=related

cuvier100
4th July 2011, 09:47 PM
We have now converted the touch screen in the commodore VE SSV using a Garmin GVN53 and the above touch screen controller TSC-205IM.

It is all fitted but we are having a few teasing problems with the operation of the touchscreen. Once these are sorted I will post some pics of the install.

Mike

CAPTAIN-WILL
17th August 2011, 11:40 PM
How was the Garmin GVN53 wired up to the VE SS V Headunit?
I purchased it with a module but the wires ends were not fitted into the plugs & the pictures are not detailed enough so how did you work it out?


Here are some pics of the install. Description and links below.

GPS receiver near the centre speaker under the grill. Magnetic mount but tape and stick on padding for confidence.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2015&stc=1

Left side of dash console with glove box removed.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&stc=1

Left side with Garmin in position but not connected.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2019&stc=1

Left side with the Garmin control cover open (not connected).


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2020&stc=1

Right side under dash


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2017&stc=1

Right side under dash with all wiring in place.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2018&stc=1

Mike

CAPTAIN-WILL
18th August 2011, 01:37 AM
How was the Garmin GVN53 wired up to the VE SS V Head-unit cuvier100 (semi-located member)?

I purchased it with a module but the wires ends were not fitted into the plugs & the pictures are not detailed enough so how did you work it out? :help


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Here are some pics of the install. Description and links below.

GPS receiver near the centre speaker under the grill. Magnetic mount but tape and stick on padding for confidence.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2015&stc=1

Left side of dash console with glove box removed.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&stc=1

Left side with Garmin in position but not connected.


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2019&stc=1

Left side with the Garmin control cover open (not connected).


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2020&stc=1

Right side under dash


http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2017&stc=1

Right side under dash with all wiring in place.

http://www.gpsaustralia.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2018&stc=1

Mike

CAPTAIN-WILL
18th August 2011, 01:43 AM
Your Web link http://www.eftel.net.au/~jdiz/scan.pdf is no longer valid & comes up with an error message cuvier100

Screenname7
12th September 2011, 12:45 PM
Hi all, can this be made to work with a Pontiac G8? Our head units in the states have a power button in place of the NAV button. Will the factory NAV module activate the RGB input? I have the radio flashed by JHP with composite input so VIM is active but I did not elect to get the auto switching back up camera option. Will I need to have the head unit reprogrammed again? I do not currently have a screen overlay but am versed enough to do so and intrigued by the prospect of this. Even if I cannot get the head unit to display the NAV on the screen, can I get the voice over turn by turn directions to play over the speakers if I use a Nuvi 5000 via the RGB input? Is the switching done internally on the HU or via the GMLAN? I greatly appreciate the help anyone can provide.
Thanks,
Scott

CAPTAIN-WILL
13th September 2011, 03:31 AM
scoutmaster you can buy the mods with the GARMIN GVN-53 or separate from www.carboncarsystems.com.au or http://carboncarsystems.com.au/oem-integration-c-152.html?zenid=e7b0fff08ba3630fa1c625d45e2e0d87 for $1,295.00 AU for the 2006 to 2009 Series 1 VE SS V Commodore & it comes with the VE Commodore which requires an additional CANBUS module which basically interprets the data software of the vehicle and allows for the reading of the reverse signal etc so that the function can work correctly plus the latest AU Map, POI, Etc plus you can buy the Reversing Camera Mod which is Extra $$ This interface is additional and is $350.00 AU including GST and can be added at a later date if required+ Reversing Camera which is Extra $$ he sells a wide variety of reverse cameras of high quality at approximately $120.00 AU including GST each.

The Garmin VE Commodore GPS Navigation Upgrade is a perfect addition to any VE Commodore with a factory premium color screen. The compact size of the unit allows it to be hidden neatly behind the factory radio screen. The system has specifically been designed to suit the VE with integration with the factory radio interface to operate the satellite navigation.

If you want a quick, neat, effective easy to use GPS Navigation system for your vehicle then this unit is for you.
Features are:

Garmin Sensis Where Is Mapping for Australia & New Zealand
Over 300,000 Points-Of-Interest Built In
Integrates with Factory Color Screen
Easy to Use Interface Using Factory Radio Controls
Quick User Operation and Routing
Optional Reverse Camera Add On
Interface Adapter Supplied
Spoken Street Names
Voice Prompts
Auto-Route
Hideaway GPS

Mod Specifications: Designed to Suit VE Commodore Premium Color Screen Radios


...me.too.tm

I'd like to buy a kit of parts, and that goes for the reversing camera mod as well. would really like to install both, especially now the mod has the buttons on the head unit working...

any clues, documnetation, pinouts, parts lists, where/who to buy from etc appreciated...

:ScoutMaster

timj
24th September 2011, 12:07 AM
Hi folks,

1st time poster, had a read of the thread and wonder if knows if this would work in a series II VE sedan ? The series II has a Holden IQ system installed that has a built in touch screen. I Purchased a demo vehicle which did not come with the factory Nav system installed. If so is there anywhere in Perth that has the know how to fit ?

TIA

Tim.

Nicko
24th September 2011, 02:41 PM
Contact Autotainment in Burswood on the Great Eastern Highway. (08) 9470 4233

Screenname7
27th September 2011, 08:27 AM
Hi folks,

1st time poster, had a read of the thread and wonder if knows if this would work in a series II VE sedan ? The series II has a Holden IQ system installed that has a built in touch screen. I Purchased a demo vehicle which did not come with the factory Nav system installed. If so is there anywhere in Perth that has the know how to fit ?

TIA

Tim.

Tim,
Try this link, they have kits for I & II series.
http://www.asllogistics.com/product.php?productid=44&cat=43&page=1

HITV is another possible source. Actually just did another search and you have a lot of options down there. Unfortunately I cannot determine if the RGB circuitry is active on the USA head units. Best of luck,
Scott

cuvier100
19th October 2011, 11:36 PM
Well we finally got it sorted out.

DISCLAIMER: This mod is quite nerve wrecking as you have to pull the head unit apart. There is a chance things can go wrong and damage can be done. Do this at your own risk, this guide is for your information only! There are also many different ways to install this configuration, below is the way we pioneered it which ‘works’. Where things can be done better with further time/money/parts I’ve indicated this. Feel free to make any suggestions/comments necessary but keep in mind we are not an autotainment spe******t, just a bloke with an SSV and a desire for a decent touch screen GPS!

So you’ll need the following:
• Garmin GVN 53 installed and functioning with the RX and TX wires connected to the Garmin wiring loom ready for connection to the TSC-205IM.
• 12 VDC supply ready for connection to the touch screen controller (from the same place you sourced the supply to the Garmin will be fine).
• TSC-205IM Garmin touch screen controller – I bought mine from HVI Electronics, vitalik@hvi.od.ua http://www.hvi.od.ua/
• A 6.5” four wire resistive touch screen overlay. Measurements indicated nothing bigger than 155mm x 89mm (this is important, we broke the first one – it was never going to fit as it was a few mm too long and we cracked it trying to push it into place). You can get these off eBay for around ~$40. We also went for one with the ribbon sticking out the bottom in the center as we found we could get it out and wired back to the TSC unit (see below for photos).
• A thin plastic sheet to cut out a frame to place over the touch screen overlay (explained below)
• The Garmin GVN 53 v2.50 downgrade kit (explained and linked below).
• A login to myGarmin/webupdater (https://my.garmin.com/mygarmin/login.htm?service=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.garmin.com%2Fmy garmin%2Fregistration%2FviewRegDetails.htm) with the ability to link your Garmin GVN 53 to the internet/computer/laptop via the USB cable in order to download the latest Text to Speech (TTS) and software upgrades.
• General electrical tools and knowhow.
• A small (~30cm) strip of ribbon wire (4 cores) to extend the connection between the resistive overlay and the controller (as it’s too big to fit in the headunit).
• The willingness to remove your headunit knowing you may damage it! Removing the thing for the first time was absolutely terrifying and it felt like we were going to break it into many pieces, so be careful and if you don’t think you’re up to it – I suggest Turbocortys all in one solution (it has many benefits such as better Bluetooth and touchscreen climate control, I would have purchased one if I didn’t already fork out many dollars setting up my Garmin)!
• Luck and patience.

The touch screen overlay should look something like this:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/overlay.jpg

This was our first attempt (which we broke) as it was too large and afterwards we realised the ribbon was in the wrong place anyway. Our preference for the ribbon is the bottom middle section of the screen. If you look on eBay there are a few.

Firstly we need to remove the front part of the headunit. The easiest way to do this is:
1. Disconnect the power supply/battery. I found if the power supply is left connected with the front panel removed error codes appear and the CD stacker doesn’t appreciate it.
2. Make sure the handbrake is on, put the car in drive (or change gears to make sure the gearstick isn’t in the way).
3. Place your hand under the screen, you can feel behind the panel, it’s about 1 inch thick, take hold firmly and pull it towards you. It has clips on it that will release (You should not break it, we tried many times).
With any luck you’ll have a disconnected panel you can begin work.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/RemovedBackplate.jpg

From this point onward – KEEP THE PANEL WITH THE SCREEN FACING DOWNWARDS AT ALL TIMES. If you turn it over, the plastic buttons and other gadgets will fall out with the metal cover plate removed.
Take your time and remove the screws, try and remember what one fit where. Remove the metal panel.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/PCB.jpg

Now remove the screws holding the PCB in place. Be careful not to damage the connecting cable to the hazard light toggle switch (red box). It’s not necessary to remove the switch, but if you do be delicate with it, it’s a pain to put back in as from memory it’s spring loaded. The large metal section up the top right is part of the casing for the LCD screen, which is what we want to remove in order to place the touch screen overlay in.

Disconnect the ribbon in the blue box and also the larger ribbon above. Be gentle, with a small screwdriver or your finger nails you should be able to manipulate the plastic clamp which frees the ribbon. Now remove the PCB to get at the screen. Two people to do this helps.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/pcbremoved.jpg

The LCD screen can now be removed and the touch screen overlay you purchased can be placed in front of the screen (now is probably a good time to give both the overlay and the screen a bit of Windex). Before you insert the touch screen you need to cut out a rectangular frame from thin plastic that will provide a space between the touch screen and the front plastic bezel. This ensures that the touch screen does not have any pressure on it when installed in its final place. The frame only sits on the outside extremities of the touch screen (i.e. on the outside of the copper strip). Only one side of the screen should respond to touch, so you may want to connect the screen up to the Garmin or a computer via a USB controller to figure this out. Personally before we started any work we plugged it into the TSC unit and hooked it up to the Garmin to see if it responded.

Given our time again we would have done things differently here. On the TSC unit (below) you will need to connect the touch screen overlay into the small PCB shown on the right. We believe a better way to install the unit would be to purchase the connector on that PCB and wire from that to the main TSC unit. This won’t require you to locate the whole section of PCB plus both connectors in the head unit (real estate is scarce).

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/TSCunit.jpg

Not having the patience for this we found a place to fit the PCB. On the photo shown below we located a gap in the plastic cover to the panel where the PCB fits in nice and snug. We were mindful to make sure the metal prongs extruding (we assume this is a ground/earth) was still able to connect to the frame of the LCD. We also removed and replaced the wiring between the units with some ribbon strip we had in order to run this out to the main unit located external to the panel.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/connectorinstalled.jpg

We found the best place to run this was out the top right hand side (or left depending on which way you look at it), as there is a pre existing space for the cable to fit through. It is a very tight fit. There’s probably many different better ways to do this but we found this way didn’t require a lot of filing to make a slot in the panel.

Now proceed to screw everything back into place, make sure the buttons still work and everything is OK. We did a sanity check on the cable length once I figured out where I would locate everything and then cut/soldered and heat shrinked everything to finish the connection to the TSC unit. Now the panel is ready to be reconnected and battery connection restored.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/panelfinished.jpg

Depending on where you installed your Garmin will depend on where you want to locate your TSC unit. We made up a bracket from the cheap metal out of one of the DIY solenoid keyless entry kits from Supercheap auto (used back in the days when we had a Holden VK, but that’s another story) and mounted the Garmin on the left hand side of the head unit.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/garmininstall.jpg

You’ll need to calibrate the screen first, but we found that when the front panel was removed there is a gap either side between the plastic frame holding the head unit in place and the panel. After taping the unit up we slipped it in the new found space and it’s been working well ever since (sorry I didn’t take a photo of this). We didn’t notice any ventilation requirements or excessive heat so we believe it should be OK. You won’t be able to get to it to maintain it but we're hoping we never have to. The issue with relocating it further away is the longer the cable length is between the touch screen and the unit the higher the chance the screen will be unresponsive. Remember it is a resistive touch screen and adding cable length to the touch screen circuit adds resistance which may confuse the controller!

The unit will have a TX, RX and Power (+ and -). Wire up 12 VDC to the + and – connections, then connect the Garmin Purple wire to the TX and the Grey wire to the RX. If you’re using the RGB activation module with head unit controls you’ll need to disconnect the RX link in order to allow the touch screen to work.

To calibrate the unit you need to first configure the TSC unit, then the Garmin. To configure the TSC unit follow the video Vitaliy created here:

tsc-205im connect to gvn53 _ 2.AVI - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTLw3eCKNVs)

So with the unit connected and powered on, one green LED (Power LED) should light up, indicating that it has detected the touch screen and the Garmin, if this doesn’t occur, something isn’t connected correctly or the unit is faulty. Short the two metal contacts on the TSC unit together (1:34). Once this is done, the second LED (Configuration LED) should start to blink at a set time interval. Now the TSC unit is in configuration mode.

As the touch screen can be installed at any angle you need to tell it which corner is which. To do this, touch the Top Left, Top Right, Bottom Right, Bottom Left and Centre regions as shown in the video (order is important). The power LED will blink rapidly to indicate that a touch event has occurred. The configuration LED will continue to blink at set intervals, but will change the number of blinks between intervals depending on which stage of configuration you are at. For example, once entered into configuration mode, it will blink once, indicating it is ready for input one (Top Left). Once you have touched the top left portion it will now start to blink twice, indicating it is ready for the second input (Top Right) and so on until it has accepted five inputs. Check this indication to make sure it has detected each touch input and in the correct order. We believe you need to then short the contacts again and repeat the process to confirm as shown then the touch screen should be configured and ready for use.

If the touch screen does not respond as shown at 3:19 but the TSC unit indicates a touch input the TSC controller is set to output touch commands to the wrong unit. The TSC unit is designed to control multiple devices, for example you may have a Car PC and a Garmin, with one touch screen and you cycle between the inputs. To change inputs touch the top right hand section of the screen for more than 3 seconds and repeat the process until you are able to control the Garmin unit. We found the unit then stays on that ‘input’ and I haven’t accidently swapped it as most touch events don’t last more than ~0.5 seconds.

The next bit of the video (3:50 onwards) shows how to calibrate the touch screen with the Garmin unit. This stumped us as our unit did not have a “Calibrate Touch Screen” button! For some reason, v2.50 of the Garmin GVN 53 software doesn’t have the calibrate function, so you’ll have to downgrade to v2.30, calibrate as shown in the video at 4:00, then update back to v2.5 again.

To downgrade the device, download this – http://www.filefactory.com/file/ce6664c/n/gvn53ver2.10_downgrader.rar then follow the instructions as shown here ver2.3 to ver 2.1.AVI - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3wvFqg6G8Y). We found our touch screen was so off we could not select anything after the upgrade, so make sure you have the Garmin remote handy. We also found we had to re-pair the remote with the unit after upgrading by holding down the thumbstick and 0 for 10 seconds, then entering the code that appeared. Once you’re up and running again run the configuration, make sure you’re satisfied with your selection then use the myGarmin webupdater to revert back to v2.50 (We believe this is a significant advantage upgrading as the TTS improves dramatically).

Finally tidy up any cabling, replace panels/covers and restore your car to a workable state.

All done!! The finished product should look something like - Garmin GVN 53 Touch Screen Modification - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5okQA2GAwJo)

Something else to note: I’ve found the touch screen to be an essential part of the Garmin unit and typing in long street names is now an easier task. Resistive touch screens are old technology, not on par with capacitive screens used in devices such as Android and iPhone smart phones. There is also a small delay with the unit when selecting items. In order to get the most out of our touch screen we’ve found the best way to use it is to place your finger on what you’re after, then wait until it has been selected before removing the touch input. Spending the extra milliseconds on each input makes the whole process go a lot smoother.

Oh and as a teaser to the autoswitch module/reversing camera – see if you can spot where I installed the reversing camera!
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k494/VoltaGe53/reversingcamera.jpg

cuvier100
19th October 2011, 11:43 PM
Your Web link http://www.eftel.net.au/~jdiz/scan.pdf is no longer valid & comes up with an error message cuvier100

Is this what you are looking for?
4373

cuvier100
20th October 2011, 12:16 AM
In our day when we started this project there were very few options and they were expensive for what you got. This is why we embarked on this project and went for the Garmin unit. Everything at this stage was in development. But there are now some good alternatives.

Its a daunting task to install the touch screen not to mention the many hours of waiting for parts and fiddling with the head unit to fit everything in.

Autotainment sell a touchscreen to suit the VE SSV and in my view it would be a lot easier to have them fit their unit than what we did. This way you know it is going to work. Plus they are the only company in Perth that I would trust to do the job. See:

http://www.autotainment.net.au/index.php/gps-navigation/venav.html

Mike

rfragachan
14th December 2011, 08:40 PM
Hi Mike,

Can you please share the software downgrade link for the GVN 53 again? The link is no longer working

Rod

cuvier100
15th December 2011, 07:24 PM
Hi Mike,

Can you please share the software downgrade link for the GVN 53 again? The link is no longer working

Rod

Rod,

Please try this link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1c378z0f2st644v

Cheers

Mike

rfragachan
15th December 2011, 09:50 PM
Mike,

Thanks for the file!
:prost


Rod


Rod,

Please try this link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1c378z0f2st644v

Cheers

Mike

CAPTAIN-WILL
2nd May 2012, 03:56 AM
This download link is Not working again cuvier100
45074507


Mike,

Thanks for the file!
:prost


Rod

cuvier100
3rd May 2012, 09:07 PM
If you need it desperately PM me your email and I will send it to you. For the obsolete Garmin software you need an email connection that will accept a16MB file.

Nicko
4th May 2012, 12:44 AM
I will place it on my server. I will send you ftp details tomorrow

cuvier100
4th May 2012, 09:17 PM
Nick,

Thanks.

Mike

Auzgts
9th May 2012, 11:34 PM
Hi Guys,
New to the forum as well. I have a 2007 HSV GTS and have already wired in my iPhone, use this with Co-Pilot Live for Nav, to the rear Aux in connection. What I am wondering is whether I can wire in a media player, Designer Habitat Nano 3.0, to the Nav in connections? Do I still need the GMLAN module to activate the Nav when I press the button?
Cheers

cuvier100
10th May 2012, 12:05 PM
If you want to activate the RGB input you need the GMLAN module.

Not sure why you would want to go to all the effort to put a media player through the nav connections other than it is a RGB input and not composite. It may also be difficult to sync with the RGB input as it is not like plugging in a vga, component or HDMI cable. I don't believe the RGB input is compatible with a vga, component or HDMI input.

Better off to use a separate screen for the media player say a roof console or in the rear head rests. It would be much better resolution. An ipad would be even better.

Auzgts
12th May 2012, 03:23 AM
If you want to activate the RGB input you need the GMLAN module.

Not sure why you would want to go to all the effort to put a media player through the nav connections other than it is a RGB input and not composite. It may also be difficult to sync with the RGB input as it is not like plugging in a vga, component or HDMI cable. I don't believe the RGB input is compatible with a vga, component or HDMI input.

Better off to use a separate screen for the media player say a roof console or in the rear head rests. It would be much better resolution. An ipad would be even better.

The only reason I was looking at it was that I already have an iPhone/iPod connector wired into the Rear Aux. Being that sometimes the wife drives the car and slings handbag into passenger footwell and forgets to plug the phone in. She gets bored with Scottish radio stations and I was just wanting an alternative. Makes life easy to have music loaded onto an SD card and left in there. If she forgets, just pushes Nav button and hey presto she has tunes if she wants them.....

I agree with the iPad idea and the kids already have 1 each that they quite happily sit and watch while we drive along.

As for the set up, have already found a HDMI to RGB convertor that I can run off the front power while the Media player will sit in centre console and take its power from there as well. There are plenty of 12v - 5v plug n play convertors available on the market. The only thing I don't know is how to wire the GMLAN interface into the cct? Seeing as you say I need one where would I get my hands one?

It's just a little side project to see what would be needed and if I could do it myself.

Thanks for any help.

cuvier100
12th May 2012, 12:25 PM
The only thing I don't know is how to wire the GMLAN interface into the cct? Seeing as you say I need one where would I get my hands one?

Thanks for any help.

Give Turbocorty a PM. He maybe able to help you obtain the module or advise you where you can get one. One of the old earlier modules will suit your needs. Otherwise try the places mentioned earlier in this post.

You also need the plug and wiring loom to connect to the Holden entertainment unit.

I'm not sure that the HDMI to RGB converter will work but please post the details of the converter you used if it does.

Wiring instructions come with the GMLAN module and are posted earlier in this post.

katherina88
14th May 2012, 08:22 PM
is there no warranty to the item?

cuvier100
16th May 2012, 10:05 AM
is there no warranty to the item?

I am not sure what you are asking here.

The Garmin unit is covered under warranty as is the GMLAN module (if you source these in Australia).

The touch screen and controller, as they come from China or Ukraine, may be but actually getting a replacement unit might be difficult. Its difficult to return and the cost of shipping is prohbited. Plus there are different laws in these countries. So it is at your risk.

If you want warranty for the total unit plus install then get it done by local autotainment supplier.

Afondo
25th May 2012, 02:57 PM
Can I get the FTP link to the GVN-53 software downgrade please?

Im just finishing a touch screen setup on an Audi A4 2011. Ill post up the pics as soon as i get it finished.

Thanks

Nicko
25th May 2012, 02:59 PM
give me 24 hours and I will have the download ready

Afondo
25th May 2012, 03:06 PM
Great!! Thanks, With any luck I can get this finished and the final results posted up by the end of the weekend.

Afondo
27th May 2012, 02:26 PM
Any chance you can send the link Nico??

Afondo
31st May 2012, 10:23 PM
Still no link :sailing:

Nicko
2nd June 2012, 03:33 PM
Is now available (18MB)

www.gpstechnologies.com.au/files/software-gvn53-ver-210.zip

vvulture
20th October 2012, 04:42 AM
Hi Nicko...

Any chance of updating the link once again ?

Thx :)

Nicko
20th October 2012, 10:42 AM
Next week I will when I have sorted out changing hosts.

vvulture
20th October 2012, 12:06 PM
No probs Nicko.

In the mean time, i have already removed the factory Blaupunkt SatNav system from the car. Does that mean i already have the GMLAN module in the car ? If so, where would it be located ?

This is what i understand so far :
- I need 1 x GVN 53 GPS unit
- 1 x 6.5 inch Touch screen
- 1 x Touch screen module TSC-205IM
- 1 x GMLAN module

Is this all of it ?

thx

cuvier100
23rd October 2012, 09:07 PM
The Blaupunt SatNav will have an in built module to active the nav screen and control the navigation. I am not familar with this unit but assume the GMLAN activation module will be part of the Blaupunkt unit. Most units of this type are. So you could leave the unit in but disconnect its video and sound output.

The GMLAN unit will (later versions) permit you to use the climate controls to operate the navigation functions when connected.

You also need the wiring harness and connectors for the GVN 53 unit (as it is not prewired for RGB output) and the plug for the head unit (unless you reuse the Blaupunkt head unit plug (provided this unit uses the RGB input). We made ours from the original harness you have. We also inserted extra connectors into the GVN 53 plug to obtain the RGB output.

Do some research as there may be better options around now such as complete head unit replacements that cut out all the fuss.

Mike

vvulture
24th October 2012, 03:49 AM
Thx for the input cuvier.

I've decided to put a hold on all this for now as i am unable to get a hold of the touch screen module.

I would be happy if there were another way to do this without the use of the remote control ( ie, using the same controls the blaupunkt uses at the moment ) but i cannot seem to find any info.

Yes, you are correct, there are other options, but unfortunately they are out of my financial reach. Nothing under $1500 which to me is still way too expensive for a SatNav solution anyway...

Besides, i love tinkering and doing stuff like this...

So, if you know of another way to control the GVN53 without the stupid remote, let me know.

Cheers :thumbsup

cuvier100
24th October 2012, 10:33 PM
Thx for the input cuvier.

I've decided to put a hold on all this for now as i am unable to get a hold of the touch screen module.

I would be happy if there were another way to do this without the use of the remote control ( ie, using the same controls the blaupunkt uses at the moment ) but i cannot seem to find any info.

Yes, you are correct, there are other options, but unfortunately they are out of my financial reach. Nothing under $1500 which to me is still way too expensive for a SatNav solution anyway...

Besides, i love tinkering and doing stuff like this...

So, if you know of another way to control the GVN53 without the stupid remote, let me know.

Cheers :thumbsup

Yes a GMLAN module using the intergrated radio controls. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgYoK7S25s.

We did this before installing the touch screen. See the earlier posts.

vvulture
28th October 2012, 02:41 PM
Can you provide a link to tutorial ? If i can control GNV53 without remote control or touchscreen i would definitely do it...

replicator
23rd December 2012, 11:45 PM
This is a great project ! I'm trying to get hold of the bits needed to build this - so far I have the GVN53, but don't seem to be able to contact HVI electronics in the Ukraine to buy the TSC-205IM. Is there another supplier for these ? HVI seems to make them and is the only source.
I was quoted $500 for the GMLAN module from a car audio shop, which seems a bit steep.

Cheers

vvulture
25th December 2012, 04:57 AM
This is a great project ! I'm trying to get hold of the bits needed to build this - so far I have the GVN53, but don't seem to be able to contact HVI electronics in the Ukraine to buy the TSC-205IM. Is there another supplier for these ? HVI seems to make them and is the only source.
I was quoted $500 for the GMLAN module from a car audio shop, which seems a bit steep.

Cheers


I've given up on this.... HVI never got back to me either..

Still waiting for cuvier100 to respond to my last post. I was hoping he could provide a detailed tutorial on how to interface the original buttons.

Oh well... such is life :-)

replicator
25th December 2012, 08:03 AM
HVI's website is still up - My wife is Polish and can speak Ukrainian, so we'll try calling them and see what the story is...
The GVN53 is designed to work with a touchscreen - surely there must be more than one controller available !
From my understanding (maybe I'm wrong), one of the GMLAN modules available is designed specifically to work with the GVN53 and the VE headunit.
Once the Nav button is pressed, the audio buttons then become GPS buttons ?

cuvier100
27th December 2012, 08:46 AM
I've given up on this.... HVI never got back to me either..

Still waiting for cuvier100 to respond to my last post. I was hoping he could provide a detailed tutorial on how to interface the original buttons.

Oh well... such is life :-)

All the details are provided in one of the original posts!

replicator
27th December 2012, 10:33 PM
HVI seem to have morphed into a company called Car solutions. (http://car-solutions.com)
They are selling a TSC-206IM instead of TSC-205IM, and also have a 6.5" touchscreen for $8 USD (dimensions are 155.5 x 90mm so maybe slightly too big ?)

cuvier100
28th December 2012, 07:14 AM
Good find. The flexible touch screens seem the way to go but $50 plus postage of $60 is a fair bit dearer but I think worth it for all the effort. You can bring the postage down to $45 through borderlinx.

replicator
20th May 2013, 03:53 PM
I have it all installed and running now, but one thing I've noticed is the display freezes after a little while on the NAV input.
It's not the GPS, as it still gives directions ok. I can unfreeze it for a while by switching to the rear aux input, then radio, then NAV, and it's ok again for a while, then freezes again.
I think the RGB signal going to the headunit might be at the limit of H and V frequencies it can handle.
Under "Advanced Screen Settings" on the GVN53, the H and V settings can be altered.
Has anyone seen the same problem I've got, and maybe changed the advanced settings to fix it ?
My settings are:
H - FP 80, BP 63, SYNC 39
V - FP 63, BP 12, SYNC 2

Cheers

cuvier100
20th May 2013, 10:13 PM
I have never had this issue, ever.

My only recommendations would be to:
• Check software version
• Check advanced settings
BTW the settings you list don't match with what we've got which we have never changed.
HORIZONTAL
fp: 32
bp: 51
sync: 44
VERTICAL
fp: 13
bp: 13
sync: 2

Running software version 2.50, GPS SW Version: 3.00

replicator
21st May 2013, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the reply !
I put in your advanced settings, and on the 1/2 hr drive to work this morning, so far so good !
The settings on mine were the defaults after I factory reset the GPS.

One thing I didn't do was use shielded cable on the RGBs wires when I made the custom harness, so if the freezing persists, I'll change the cable to an old VGA cable or similar.

The GPS firmware on mine is the same as yours. and I'm using the AUS/NZ topo maps V4.
One other thing I did at the same time was upgrade the headunit software from v6 to v9, so I could enable the factory reverse cam option that the later VE series 1's had.

I've seen someone on the net make a custom RGB harness using pins from an old floppy drive power plug, but these pins are too small and fall out if you give a little tug.
This is the correct plug and pins:

24 Pin Plug: AMP 1318917 (RS components 712-1413)
Contact Pins: AMP 1123343 (RS components 680-4965)

The pins are 8 cents each, but you have to buy 100

The Antenna lead was miles too long, so rather than coil it up behind the dash, I cut it to the right length and bought the correct connector (Hirose GT5-1S-HU) from here:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/330875641398?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

The GVN53's seem pretty much impossible to buy now - there is supposedly a GVN54 replacement that looks pretty awesome:

http://www.componentsense.com/images/datasheets/57044_2_50fb61ba5b14518bba3f7890100beb44.pdf

But they don't seem to be available anywhere...

replicator
5th June 2013, 11:35 PM
I've been using the GPS daily now for the last 2 weeks, and the display hasn't missed a beat :-)
Not sure why my default display settings were different.
Next challenge is to see if it's possible to use a TMC receiver with this...

cuvier100
6th June 2013, 10:15 PM
Ou RGB cables are not shielded and we have never had any problems.

We have recently changed the touch screen to a flexible screen. It fits just about perfectly and is much better as it is thinner.

We expermimted with a TMC receiver and could not get it to work. Let us know how you get on.

Nicko
6th June 2013, 10:29 PM
You may need to contact Intelematics as TMC is licensed and run on different frequencies and data format from country to country

replicator
7th June 2013, 05:55 PM
I had a look at Intelematics - the only Garmin SUNA compatible cable is the GTM25, but the GVN53 isn't listed on it's compatibility list.
The gtm10 + gtm12 are compatible with the gvn53, but apparently don't work in Australia ?
Which receiver did you try ?

cuvier100
7th June 2013, 09:45 PM
I think from memory the gtm-12 which we got form the UK for the garmin GVN53. The software on the GVN53 does not support the unit in Australia. Wrote to Garmin and got a reply that they are not interested in bringing out a software update to support users in Australia.

esmond
1st November 2013, 04:54 PM
Is now available (18MB)

www.gpstechnologies.com.au/files/software-gvn53-ver-210.zip

Hi Nicko,

Thanks for sharing this hard-to-find firmware, but when I do install the firmware, the interface says it is v2.5. I am not sure this file is the correct one or not. and do you have the firmware v2.5 for GVN 53? Thanks in advance.

Esmond

cuvier100
2nd November 2013, 06:53 PM
You roll back the garmin software to v2.5 which allows you to set up the screen calibration and border. You then update it to the latest version. The calibrations remains.

esmond
2nd November 2013, 07:38 PM
You roll back the garmin software to v2.5 which allows you to set up the screen calibration and border. You then update it to the latest version. The calibrations remains.


I thought we we need to roll back to v2.1, then calibration the touch screen.

Thanks.

esmond
2nd November 2013, 07:51 PM
I thought we we need to roll back to v2.1, then calibration the touch screen.

Thanks.

I did the rolled back to v2.5, but my GVN 53 still not repond to my touch screen.

I use the TSC-205im from Ukraine, did the calibration by top left, top right, bottom right, bottom left, then press and hold center for 2sec. According to the led light of 205im, it response to my touch input. And connect 205im to GVN53: the J3 to purple, J4 to gray(white), but my GVN53 seems never response. Both unit are powered by 12v.

Any hint will be appreciated.

Nicko
2nd November 2013, 10:38 PM
You may need to PM the guy who did it to get an answer.

cuvier100
3rd November 2013, 07:19 AM
Its a few years back when we set this up but from memory it took a number of goes before we figured out how to get the device to work with the GVN after calibration. We read the instructions a number of times and finally figured it out.

It might also be a roll back to v2.1 and not 2.5 as I say it was many years ago that we did this mod. We have not had to touch it since other than update the maps.

It obvioulsy responds to your touch screen if you can calibrate the screen.

As per Nickos comments if all else fails contact the supplier of the touch screen interface.

replicator
8th January 2014, 11:17 AM
I've had a play with the Garmin GTM-25 TMC receiver, but as expected, it didn't work :-(
All it did was display the error below.

4838
Garmin told me they have no plans to release a new firmware to make the GVN53 compatible with newer TMC receivers, but maybe be more willing to do so if enough people hassle them ?